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L'expression du but
Message de jeanmi posté le 16-07-2005 à 23:37:50 (S | E | F | I)
Good evening,
J'ai remarqué lors de mes corrections d'essais que nombre d'entre vous ont des difficultés à exprimer le but.
Je vous propose donc un petit exercice où je vous demande de modifier la phrase de façon à exprimer le but et de la traduire une fois transformée.
Exemple1 : I'm going to England. So I can learn English.
--> I'm going to England to learn English. (Je vais en Angleterre pour apprendre l'anglais.)
Exemple2 : I'm going to England. So he will see me.
--> I'm going to England for him to see me. (Je vais en Angleterre pour qu'il me voie.)
Exemple3 : I am going to England. So I don't forget my English.
--> I am going to England not to forget my English.
Exemple4 : I am buying him a ticket to England. So he doesn't forget his English.
--> I am buying him a ticket to England in order for him not to forget his English.
1. She has written this letter. So you can forgive her.
2. They are coming. So they eat at home.
3. I am calling you. So you can lend me a book.
4. I am writing. So I can have advice.
5. Laurent has created this site. So we can learn English.
Attention à présent à la forme négative.
6. I am stopping now. So I'm not too tired.
7. He's driving his daughter to school. So she won't be late.
8. Bridg watches the forums. So members don't post useless messages.
9. I'm staying inside. So I don't get a sunstroke.
10. I am spreading suncream. So I am not sunburnt.
Bon courage...
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Edité par jeanmi le 20-07-2005 22:06
Message de jeanmi posté le 16-07-2005 à 23:37:50 (S | E | F | I)
Good evening,
J'ai remarqué lors de mes corrections d'essais que nombre d'entre vous ont des difficultés à exprimer le but.
Je vous propose donc un petit exercice où je vous demande de modifier la phrase de façon à exprimer le but et de la traduire une fois transformée.
Exemple1 : I'm going to England. So I can learn English.
--> I'm going to England to learn English. (Je vais en Angleterre pour apprendre l'anglais.)
Exemple2 : I'm going to England. So he will see me.
--> I'm going to England for him to see me. (Je vais en Angleterre pour qu'il me voie.)
Exemple3 : I am going to England. So I don't forget my English.
--> I am going to England not to forget my English.
Exemple4 : I am buying him a ticket to England. So he doesn't forget his English.
--> I am buying him a ticket to England in order for him not to forget his English.
1. She has written this letter. So you can forgive her.
2. They are coming. So they eat at home.
3. I am calling you. So you can lend me a book.
4. I am writing. So I can have advice.
5. Laurent has created this site. So we can learn English.
Attention à présent à la forme négative.6. I am stopping now. So I'm not too tired.
7. He's driving his daughter to school. So she won't be late.
8. Bridg watches the forums. So members don't post useless messages.
9. I'm staying inside. So I don't get a sunstroke.
10. I am spreading suncream. So I am not sunburnt.
Bon courage...
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Edité par jeanmi le 20-07-2005 22:06
Réponse: L'expression du but de bridg, postée le 16-07-2005 à 23:41:42 (S | E)
Helloooooo
on a le droit à une nuit de sommeil avant ton casse tête? Réponse: L'expression du but de jeanmi, postée le 16-07-2005 à 23:47:58 (S | E)
Bien sûr Bridg, y'a pas d'urgence
, mais tu remarqueras que je t'ai mise à l'honneur... Réponse: L'expression du but de grabuge, postée le 16-07-2005 à 23:51:01 (S | E)
JeanmiAllez, du courage, j'en ai ! Je n'ai peur de rien
1. She has written this letter for me to forgive her.
2. They are coming to eat at home.
3. I am calling you to lend me a book.
4. I am writing to have advice.
5. Laurent has created this site for us to learn English.
Attention à présent à la forme négative.
6. I am stopping now to be not too tired.
7. He's driving his daughter to school for she not be late.
8. Bridg watches the forums for members not to post useless messages.
9. I'm staying inside to get not a sunstroke.
10. I am spreading suncream to be not sunburned
J'attends le verdict...
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Edité par grabuge le 17-07-2005 18:42 - Essai de correction 1/
Réponse: L'expression du but de magmatic_rock, postée le 16-07-2005 à 23:58:40 (S | E)
allez
1. She has written this letter. So you can forgive her.
--> She has written this letter for you to forgive her.
2. They are coming. So they eat at home tu avais oublié le "e"
.--> They are coming to eat at homE
3. I am calling you. So you can lend me a book.
--> I am calling you for you to lend me a book.
4. I am writing. So I can have advice.
--> I'm writing to have advice.
5. Laurent has created this site. So we can learn English.
--> Laurent has created this site for us to learn English.
Laurent encore une fois!
6. I am stopping now. So I'm not too tired.
--> I'm stopping now not to be tired
7. He's driving his daughter to school. So she won't be late.
--> He's driving his daughter to school for her not to be late
8. Bridg watches the forums. So members don't post useless messages.
--> Bridg watches the forums for members not to post useless messages.
9. I'm staying inside. So I don't get a sunstroke.
--> I'm staying inside not to get a sunstroke.
10. I am spreading suncream. So I am not sunburnt.
--> I'm sreading suncream not to be sunburnt.
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Edité par grabuge le 17-07-2005 00:04
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Edité par magmatic_rock le 17-07-2005 00:25
Voilà j'ai corrigé mes phrases négatives!
Réponse: L'expression du but de kathleen, postée le 17-07-2005 à 00:18:51 (S | E)
Hello Jeanmi!
1.She has written this letter. So you can forgive her.
She has written this letter for you to forgive her.
2. They are coming. So they eat at home.
They are coming to eat at home.
3. I am calling you. So you can lend me a book.
I am calling you for you to lend me a book.
4. I am writing. So I can have advice.
I am writing to have advice.
5. Laurent has created this site. So we can learn English.
Laurent has created this site for us to learn English. ( je tiens aussi à remercier notre cher webmaster
)6. I am stopping now. So I'm not too tired.
I am stopping now not to be too tired.
7. He's driving his daughter to school. So she won't be late.
He's driving his daughter to school for her not to be late.
8. Bridg watches the forums. So members don't post useless messages.
Bridg watches the forums for members not to post useless messages.
9. I'm staying inside. So I don't get a sunstroke.
I'm staying inside not to get a sunstroke.
10. I am spreading suncream. So I am not sunburnt.
I am spreading suncream not to be sunburnt.
Jeanmi! -------------------
Edité par kathleen le 17-07-2005 00:33
Voilà c'est fait!
Jeanmi! Réponse: L'expression du but de traviskidd, postée le 17-07-2005 à 08:29:15 (S | E)
Hmm ... le phenomène "to do = pour faire" n'implique pas que "not to do" = "pour ne pas faire".
Pour exprimer "pour ne pas faire":
Dans ex. 3 (où les sujets des deux propositions sont mêmes) il faut mettre "so as":
I'm going to England so as not to forget my English.
Dans ex. 4 (où les deux sujets sont différents), on ne peut que mettre "in order", ce qui marche dans tous les exemples.
I'm buying him a ticket to England in order for him not to forget his English.
On peut (toujours) utiliser aussi "so (that)" (avec "can" à l'affirmatif, mais "do" ou "will" au négatif)
I'm/He's going to England so (that) I/he can learn English.
I'm/He's leaving England so (that) my/his wife doesn't/won't find me/him.
Utiliser "not to do" sans "so as/that" veut dire "pas pour faire". Par exemple:
I'm saying this not to be rude, but to help you.
J'ajouterai enfin que "for one to do" est un moyen général d'éviter le subjonctif. Exemple:
It is important for you to be on time. = It is important that you be on time.
Il est aussi un moyen d'exprimer un "infinitif au sujet". Exemple:
For you to do that would be a big mistake.
Bon j'espère avoir fait des remarques utiles.
Réponse: L'expression du but de robinou, postée le 17-07-2005 à 11:37:32 (S | E)
Hi Jeanmi
1. She has written this letter. So you can forgive her.
1. She has written this letter for you to forgive her.
2. They are coming. So they eat at home.
2. They are coming in order to eat at home.
3. I am calling you. So you can lend me a book.
3. I am calling you for you to lend me a book.
4. I am writing. So I can have advice.
4. I am writing in order to have advice.
5. Laurent has created this site. So we can learn English.
5. Laurent has created this site for us to learn English.
Attention à présent à la forme négative.
6. I am stopping now. So I'm not too tired.
6. I am stopping now so as not to be tired.
7. He's driving his daughter to school. So she won't be late.
7. He's driving his daughter to school so that she won't be late.
8. Bridg watches the forums. So members don't post useless messages.
8. Bridg watches the forums for members not to post useless messages.
9. I'm staying inside. So I don't get a sunstroke.
9. I'm staying inside in order not to get a sunstroke.
10. I am spreading suncream. So I am not sunburnt.
10. I am spreading suncream so that not to get sunburnt.
Denis
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Edité par robinou le 17-07-2005 11:47
Réponse: L'expression du but de post-scriptum, postée le 17-07-2005 à 12:29:48 (S | E)
Bonjour,
1. She has written this letter (in order) for you to forgive her.
2. They are coming to eat at home.
3. I'm calling you (in order) for you to lend me a book.
4. I'm writing to have advice.
5. Laurent has created this site (in order) for us to learn English.
6. I'm stopping now not to be too tired.
7. He's driving his daughter to school (in order) for her not to be late.
8. Bridg and Jeanmi watche the forums (in order) for the members not to post useless messages… (waow, ça ne rigole plus !)
9. I'm staying inside not to get a sunstroke.
10. I'm spreading suncream not to be sunburnt.
Merci, et à bientôt peut-être.
Réponse: L'expression du but de bridg, postée le 17-07-2005 à 16:08:29 (S | E)
jeanmi1. She has written this letter. So you can forgive her.
She has written this letter for you to forgive her
2. They are coming. So they eat at home.
They are coming to eat at home
3. I am calling you. So you can lend me a book.
I’m calling you for you to lend me a book
4. I am writing. So I can have advice.
I’m writing to have advice
5. Laurent has created this site. So we can learn English.
Laurent has created this site for us to learn English
Pour cette partie je nage entre tes exemples et les conseils de travis , je tente également de voir si j’ai compris ces conseils mais je crains le pire.
6. I am stopping now. So I'm not too tired.
I’m stopping now not to be too tired
I’m stopping now so as not to be too tired
7. He's driving his daughter to school. So she won't be late.
He’s driving his daughter to school for her not to be late
He’s driving his daughter to school in order for her not to be late
8. Bridg watches the forums. So members don't post useless messages.
Bridg watches the forums for members not to post useless messages
Bridg watches the forums In order for members not to post useless messages
9. I'm staying inside. So I don't get sunstroke.
I'm staying inside not to get sunstroke
I'm staying inside. So as not to get sunstroke
10. I am spreading sun cream. So I am not sunburnt
I am spreading sun cream not to be sunburnt
I am spreading sun cream so as not to be sunburt
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Edité par jeanmi le 17-07-2005 20:25
Réponse: L'expression du but de traviskidd, postée le 18-07-2005 à 06:27:07 (S | E)
Bridg tu as très bien compris mes conseils.
Je sais que les conseils de jeanmi à propos du négatif ne marchent pas en Amérique; je laisse un britannique confirmer s'ils marchent ou pas en Grande-Bretagne.
Réponse: L'expression du but de jeanmi, postée le 18-07-2005 à 16:25:59 (S | E)
Hello Travis,
Je vous livre un extrait d'une grammaire que j'ai consultée à ce sujet.
1. Construction avec un seul sujet
--> On peut employer TO, IN ORDER TO, SO AS TO + infinitif
Les formes négatives correspondantes sont NOT TO, SO AS NOT TO.
I need a knife to open the parcel.
IN ORDER TO est plus formel que TO (usage officiel)
--> On peut employer SO THAT + proposition (pour que, afin que)
He took out a loan so that he could finish his studies.
2. Construction avec deux sujets
--> On peut employer FOR + nom/pronom + TO + infinitif
He's brought these magazines for you to read.
--> On peut employer SO THAT + proposition
Call me so that I won't forget.
Réponse: L'expression du but de zen34, postée le 18-07-2005 à 17:24:45 (S | E)
jeanmi1. She has written this letter for you to forgive her.
2. They are coming to eat at home.
3. I am calling you for you to lend me a book.
4. I am writing to have advice.
5. Laurent has created this site for us to learn English.
6. I am stopping now so as not to be too tired.
7. He's driving his daughter to school for her not to be late.
8. Bridg watches the forums for members not to post useless messages.
9. I'm staying inside so as not to get a sunstroke.
10. I am spreading suncream so as not to be sunburnt.
Réponse: L'expression du but de traviskidd, postée le 20-07-2005 à 01:23:43 (S | E)
Hi jeanmi.
I think your source is wrong as regards "NOT TO", which, as I explained, means "pas pour" and not "pour ne pas".
Not to disparage your source, of course; I'm sure it's very good in general. But I wanted to clarify that point so as not to let the reader be misled.
Réponse: L'expression du but de jeanmi, postée le 20-07-2005 à 22:09:44 (S | E)
Correction :
1. She has written this letter for you to forgive her.
2. They are coming to eat at home.
3. I am calling you for you to lend me a book.
4. I am writing to have advice.
5. Laurent has created this site for us to learn English.
Attention à présent à la forme négative.
6. I am stopping now in order not to be too tired.
7. He's driving his daughter to school in order for her not to be late.
8. Bridg watches the forums in order for members not to post useless messages.
9. I'm staying inside in order not to get a sunstroke.
10. I am spreading suncream in order not to be sunburnt.
INDISPENSABLES : 