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Message de jeanyves15 posté le 25-03-2005 à 10:17:27 (S | E | F | I)

need : avoir besoin, mais au passé, forme négative : didn't need, et forme affirmative ?

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Edité par marie37400 le 25-03-2005 10:40
Un petit bonjour et un petit merci, ce serait sympa !

Réponse: need de laolao, postée le 25-03-2005 à 10:58:23 (S | E)
needed

Réponse: need de marie37400, postée le 25-03-2005 à 11:03:44 (S | E)
Hello Jean-Yves,
Pour ta question, tout dépend si tu utilises need en tant que modal, ou en tant que verbe transtif. Donc, à la forme négative utilisation ou non de "do".
Ce sujet est très intéressant, et je serais heureuse si des anglicistes confirmés pouvaient venir nous donner les subtilités (voire un exercice) inhérentes à ces deux emplois.
See you,
Marie

Réponse: need de grabuge, postée le 25-03-2005 à 11:36:22 (S | E)
Marie, excellente idée...

Appel urgent donc à Lucile, Jardin, Willy, Gewurz........

pour un exercice avec need (modal) et need (verbe transitif)

Réponse: need de ruofei, postée le 25-03-2005 à 12:07:51 (S | E)
En effet, une question intéressante.
Petit récapitulatif:

'I need to do something' = I have to. (nécessaire)

'I don't need to do something'
= 'I needn't do something' ( sans 'to')
= 'I don't have to do something'
(ce n'est pas nécessaire de le faire)
A comparer avec: 'I mustn't do something' (il est nécessaire que je ne le fasse pas)

'I needn't have done something' (je fait quelquechose mais maintenant je sais que ce n'étais pas nécessaire)
Différent de 'I didn't have to do something' (je savais, à ce moment-là que ce n'étais pas nécessaire de la faire)

Réponse: need de traviskidd, postée le 25-03-2005 à 15:24:12 (S | E)
L'usage de "need" comme modal est plutôt rare (au moins en Amerique).
Je dirais qu'aux cas où l'on l'utilise, c'est plus fort que l'utiliser comme verbe regulier.

You don't need to do that. You can do this instead.
(You needn't do that! Really, it's not necessary!!!)

You didn't need to do that. You could have done this instead.
(You needn't have done that! Really, it wasn't necessary!!!)

Réponse: need de felin, postée le 25-03-2005 à 16:00:00 (S | E)
Bonjour

you needn't do something = it's not necessary that you do it, you don't need to do it:
- you can come with me if you like but you needn't come if you don't want to.(= it is not necessary for you to come)
- We've plenty of time. We needn't hurry.(= it is not necessary to hurry)

Instead of needn't. you can use don't/doesn't need to. so you can say :

- We needn't hurry or we don't need to hurry .
Remember that we say ' don't need to do ' but needn't do (without to).

Needn't have (done)

George had to go out. He thought it was going to rain, so he decided to take the umbrella.
But it didn't rain, so the umbrella was not necessary. So.
He needn't have taken the umbrella.
He needn't have taken the umbrella = he took the umbrella but this was not necessary. Of course, he didn't know this when he went out.

Compare needn't (do)and needn't have (done):

-That shirt isn't dirty. You needn't wash it.
-Why did you wash that shirt? It wasn't dirty. You needn't have washed it.

Didn't need to (do) and needn't have (done),
-I didn't need to..........= it was not necessary for me to .....( I knew this at the time):
-I didn't need to get up early, so I didn't it.
-I didn't need to get up early, but it was a lovely morning , so I did.

I needn't have done something= I did something but now I know that it was not necessary:
- I got up very early because I had to get ready to go away. But in fact it didn't take me long to get ready. So, I needn't have got up so early. I could have stayed in bed longer.

Réponse: need de lethidee, postée le 25-03-2005 à 22:00:51 (S | E)
Hello

Do we need someone ?
Can we say : I need of my family or I need of my darling ?

Thanks a lot

Réponse: need de ruofei, postée le 26-03-2005 à 03:44:25 (S | E)
Bonjour lethidee

Je devez plutôt dire: "I need my family/ I need my darling" (I need someone)

Vous pouvez éventuellement:
I am in need of something.
I am hard up for something. (avoir vraiment besoin)

I'm in need of help.
My old bike is broken, I'm hard up for a new one.

Réponse: need de marie37400, postée le 29-03-2005 à 15:52:08 (S | E)
à tous d'être venus nous éclairer.
Je copie - colle - enregistre et............ j'essaye de bien retenir.
Affaire à suivre

Marie

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